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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	metze@samba.org, Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	io-uring@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next RFC 0/3] net: move .getsockopt away from __user buffers
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:53:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c52642da-6938-41c6-814f-831f57ecaa8d@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260131153735.3c9273a8@pumpkin>

On 1/31/26 8:37 AM, David Laight wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 17:19:55 -0800
> Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 at 14:40, David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is not much point making the 'optval' parameter more than
>>> a structure of a user and kernel address - one of which will be NULL.  
>>
>> That's exactly what we do *NOT* want. Because people will get it
>> wrong, and then we're back to the bad old days where trivial bugs
>> result in security issues.
> 
> It can still be a (semi-)transparent structure that code isn't allowed
> to change. That is no different from using iov_iter.

Then why not just use iov_iter?! FWIW, I fully agree with Linus on this
one. We have an existing abstraction, we should use it. We've previously
optimized common cases, like ITER_UBUF, if that ended up being
important. We're better off using iov_iter and improving that, rather
than some new mixed pointer abomination.

>> Can you point to an actual case where setsockopt / getsockopt would be
>> performance-critical? Typically you do it once or twice.
> 
> IIRC a really horrid one - I think for async io.
> That is also one of the few where the supplied length is a lie.

Huh?

-- 
Jens Axboe

      reply	other threads:[~2026-01-31 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-30 18:46 [PATCH net-next RFC 0/3] net: move .getsockopt away from __user buffers Breno Leitao
2026-01-30 18:46 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 1/3] net: add getsockopt_iter callback to proto_ops Breno Leitao
2026-01-30 18:46 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 2/3] net: prefer getsockopt_iter in do_sock_getsockopt Breno Leitao
2026-01-30 18:46 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 3/3] netlink: convert to getsockopt_iter Breno Leitao
2026-01-30 20:52 ` [PATCH net-next RFC 0/3] net: move .getsockopt away from __user buffers David Laight
2026-01-31  1:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-31 15:37     ` David Laight
2026-01-31 15:53       ` Jens Axboe [this message]

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