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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
Cc: io-uring@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, David Wei <dw@davidwei.uk>,
	Vishal Verma <vishal1.verma@intel.com>,
	Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/12] io_uring dmabuf read/write support
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 16:37:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cccb46ae-8b20-47fe-92b2-059a0afdf95f@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aGaSb5rpLD9uc1IK@infradead.org>

On 03.07.25 16:23, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> [Note: it would be really useful to Cc all relevant maintainers]
> 
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2025 at 04:10:27PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>> This series implements it for read/write io_uring requests. The uAPI
>> looks similar to normal registered buffers, the user will need to
>> register a dmabuf in io_uring first and then use it as any other
>> registered buffer. On registration the user also specifies a file
>> to map the dmabuf for.
> 
> Just commenting from the in-kernel POV here, where the interface
> feels wrong.
> 
> You can't just expose 'the DMA device' up file operations, because
> there can be and often is more than one.  Similarly stuffing a
> dma_addr_t into an iovec is rather dangerous.
> 
> The model that should work much better is to have file operations
> to attach to / detach from a dma_buf, and then have an iter that
> specifies a dmabuf and offsets into.  That way the code behind the
> file operations can forward the attachment to all the needed
> devices (including more/less while it remains attached to the file)
> and can pick the right dma address for each device.
> 
> I also remember some discussion that new dma-buf importers should
> use the dynamic imported model for long-term imports, but as I'm
> everything but an expert in that area I'll let the dma-buf folks
> speak.

Completely correct.

As long as you don't have a really good explanation and some mechanism to prevent abuse long term pinning of DMA-bufs should be avoided.

Regards,
Christian.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-03 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-27 15:10 [RFC 00/12] io_uring dmabuf read/write support Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 01/12] file: add callback returning dev for dma operations Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 02/12] iov_iter: introduce iter type for pre-registered dma Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 03/12] block: move around bio flagging helpers Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 04/12] block: introduce dmavec bio type Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 05/12] block: implement ->get_dma_device callback Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 06/12] nvme-pci: add support for user passed dma vectors Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 07/12] io_uring/rsrc: extended reg buffer registration Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 08/12] io_uring: add basic dmabuf helpers Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 09/12] io_uring/rsrc: add imu flags Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 10/12] io_uring/rsrc: add dmabuf-backed buffer registeration Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 11/12] io_uring/rsrc: implement dmabuf regbuf import Pavel Begunkov
2025-06-27 15:10 ` [RFC 12/12] io_uring/rw: enable dma registered buffers Pavel Begunkov
2025-07-03 14:23 ` [RFC 00/12] io_uring dmabuf read/write support Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-03 14:37   ` Christian König [this message]
2025-07-07 11:15   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-07-07 14:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-07 15:41       ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-07-08  9:45         ` Christoph Hellwig

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