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From: Pavel Begunkov <[email protected]>
To: Stefan Metzmacher <[email protected]>,
	io-uring <[email protected]>, Jens Axboe <[email protected]>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <[email protected]>, netdev <[email protected]>,
	Dylan Yudaken <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: IORING_CQE_F_COPIED
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:06:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 10/18/22 09:43, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
> Hi Pavel,
> 
>> On 10/14/22 12:06, Stefan Metzmacher wrote:
>>> Hi Pavel,
>>>
>>> In the tests I made I used this version of IORING_CQE_F_COPIED:
>>> https://git.samba.org/?p=metze/linux/wip.git;a=commitdiff;h=645d3b584c417a247d92d71baa6266a5f3d0d17d
>>> (also inlined at the end)
>>>
>>> Would that something we want for 6.1? (Should I post that with a useful commit message, after doing some more tests)
>>
>> I was thinking, can it be delivered separately but not in the same cqe?
>> The intention is to keep it off the IO path. For example, it can emit a
>> zc status CQE or maybe keep a "zc failed" counter inside the ring. Other
>> options? And we can add a separate callback for that, will make a couple
>> of things better.
>>
>> What do you think? Especially from the userspace usability perspective.
> 
> So far I can't think of any other way that would be useful yet,
> but that doesn't mean something else might exist...
> 
> IORING_CQE_F_COPIED is available per request and makes it possible
> to judge why the related SENDMSG_ZC was fast or not.
> It's also available in trace-cmd report.
> 
> Everything else would likely re-introduce similar complexity like we
> had with the notif slots.
> 
> Instead of a new IORING_CQE_F_COPIED flag we could also set
> cqe.res = SO_EE_CODE_ZEROCOPY_COPIED, but that isn't really different.
> 
> As I basically use the same logic that's used to generate SO_EE_CODE_ZEROCOPY_COPIED
> for the native MSG_ZEROCOPY, I don't see the problem with IORING_CQE_F_COPIED.
> Can you be more verbose why you're thinking about something different?

Because it feels like something that should be done roughly once and in
advance. Performance wise, I agree that a bunch of extra instructions in
the (io_uring) IO path won't make difference as the net overhead is
already high, but I still prefer to keep it thin. The complexity is a
good point though, if only we could piggy back it onto MSG_PROBE.
Ok, let's do IORING_CQE_F_COPIED and aim 6.2 + possibly backport.

First, there is no more ubuf_info::zerocopy, see for-next, but you can
grab space in io_kiocb, io_kiocb::iopoll_completed is a good candidate.
You would want to take one io_uring patch I'm going to send (will CC
you), with that you won't need to change anything in net/. And the last
bit, let's make the zc probing conditional under IORING_RECVSEND_* flag,
I'll make it zero overhead when not set later by replacing the callback.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-19 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-14 11:06 IORING_CQE_F_COPIED Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-17 16:46 ` IORING_CQE_F_COPIED Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-18  8:43   ` IORING_CQE_F_COPIED Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-19 15:06     ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2022-10-19 16:12       ` IORING_CQE_F_COPIED Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-20  2:24         ` IORING_CQE_F_COPIED Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-20 10:04           ` IORING_SEND_NOTIF_REPORT_USAGE (was Re: IORING_CQE_F_COPIED) Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-20 13:46             ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-20 14:51               ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-20 15:31                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21  9:36                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-21 11:09                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21 14:03                       ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-27  8:47                         ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-27 10:51                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-20 10:10           ` IORING_SEND_NOTIF_USER_DATA " Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-20 15:37             ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21  8:32               ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-21  9:27                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21  9:45                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-21 11:20                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21 12:10                       ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-21 10:15                   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2022-10-21 11:26                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2022-10-21 12:38                       ` Stefan Metzmacher

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