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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, horms@kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	sdf@fomichev.me, dw@davidwei.uk, michael.chan@broadcom.com,
	dtatulea@nvidia.com, ap420073@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 05/23] net: clarify the meaning of netdev_config members
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 13:04:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d55e4a81-e4da-47c5-95ab-03132c1c5553@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izMO=6oHN4w9XiL0yw7x86LF8iw-LhMA4qZe2rXOu0Cmbg@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/25 02:46, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 6:56 AM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
>>
>> hds_thresh and hds_config are both inside struct netdev_config
>> but have quite different semantics. hds_config is the user config
>> with ternary semantics (on/off/unset). hds_thresh is a straight
>> up value, populated by the driver at init and only modified by
>> user space. We don't expect the drivers to have to pick a special
>> hds_thresh value based on other configuration.
>>
>> The two approaches have different advantages and downsides.
>> hds_thresh ("direct value") gives core easy access to current
>> device settings, but there's no way to express whether the value
>> comes from the user. It also requires the initialization by
>> the driver.
>>
>> hds_config ("user config values") tells us what user wanted, but
>> doesn't give us the current value in the core.
>>
>> Try to explain this a bit in the comments, so at we make a conscious
>> choice for new values which semantics we expect.
>>
>> Move the init inside ethtool_ringparam_get_cfg() to reflect the semantics.
>> Commit 216a61d33c07 ("net: ethtool: fix ethtool_ringparam_get_cfg()
>> returns a hds_thresh value always as 0.") added the setting for the
>> benefit of netdevsim which doesn't touch the value at all on get.
>> Again, this is just to clarify the intention, shouldn't cause any
>> functional change.
>>
> 
> TBH I can't say that moving the init to before
> dev->ethtool_ops->get_ringparam(dev, param, kparam, extack) made me
> understand semantics better. 

I agree, it didn't do it for me either ...

> If you do a respin, maybe a comment above
> the kparam->hds_thresh to say what you mean would help the next reader
> understand.

... and since the move doesn't have a strong semantical meaning, I
can't think of a good comment to put on top of the assignment.
hds_thresh is already described in struct netdev_config and it
seems like a better place for such stuff. Thoughts?

-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-20 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-18 13:57 [PATCH net-next v3 00/23][pull request] Queue configs and large buffer providers Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 01/23] net: page_pool: sanitise allocation order Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 23:33   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-19 15:53     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 02/23] docs: ethtool: document that rx_buf_len must control payload lengths Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 23:50   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 03/23] net: ethtool: report max value for rx-buf-len Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19  0:00   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 04/23] net: use zero value to restore rx_buf_len to default Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19  0:07   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-19 15:52     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 19:27       ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20 11:53         ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 05/23] net: clarify the meaning of netdev_config members Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19  1:46   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20 12:04     ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 06/23] net: add rx_buf_len to netdev config Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 19:32   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/23] eth: bnxt: read the page size from the adapter struct Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 19:37   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20 13:43     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 08/23] eth: bnxt: set page pool page order based on rx_page_size Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 19:43   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20 13:51     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-25  6:09       ` Somnath Kotur
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 09/23] eth: bnxt: support setting size of agg buffers via ethtool Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 20:10   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 10/23] net: move netdev_config manipulation to dedicated helpers Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 20:15   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 11/23] net: reduce indent of struct netdev_queue_mgmt_ops members Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 12/23] net: allocate per-queue config structs and pass them thru the queue API Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 21:29   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20  1:32     ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 13/23] net: pass extack to netdev_rx_queue_restart() Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 21:30   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 14/23] net: add queue config validation callback Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 21:54   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-20  1:31     ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 15/23] eth: bnxt: always set the queue mgmt ops Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 21:57   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 16/23] eth: bnxt: store the rx buf size per queue Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-25  6:24   ` Somnath Kotur
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 17/23] eth: bnxt: adjust the fill level of agg queues with larger buffers Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 18/23] netdev: add support for setting rx-buf-len per queue Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 22:36   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 19/23] net: wipe the setting of deactived queues Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-19 22:49   ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 20/23] eth: bnxt: use queue op config validate Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 21/23] eth: bnxt: support per queue configuration of rx-buf-len Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 22/23] net: let pp memory provider to specify rx buf len Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:57 ` [PATCH net-next v3 23/23] net: validate driver supports passed qcfg params Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-18 13:59 ` [PATCH net-next v3 00/23][pull request] Queue configs and large buffer providers Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-20  2:31 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-08-20 13:39   ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-08-20 13:59     ` Mina Almasry
2025-08-21  1:26       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-08-21  1:37     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-08-21 15:04       ` Pavel Begunkov

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