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From: Hao Xu <[email protected]>
To: Jens Axboe <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: add support for passing fixed file descriptors
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2022 20:47:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <[email protected]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>

On 6/18/22 19:34, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 6/18/22 5:02 AM, Hao Xu wrote:
>> On 6/17/22 21:45, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> With IORING_OP_MSG_RING, one ring can send a message to another ring.
>>> Extend that support to also allow sending a fixed file descriptor to
>>> that ring, enabling one ring to pass a registered descriptor to another
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Arguments are extended to pass in:
>>>
>>> sqe->addr3    fixed file slot in source ring
>>> sqe->file_index    fixed file slot in destination ring
>>>
>>> IORING_OP_MSG_RING is extended to take a command argument in sqe->addr.
>>> If set to zero (or IORING_MSG_DATA), it sends just a message like before.
>>> If set to IORING_MSG_SEND_FD, a fixed file descriptor is sent according
>>> to the above arguments.
>>>
>>> Undecided:
>>>      - Should we post a cqe with the send, or require that the sender
>>>        just link a separate IORING_OP_MSG_RING? This makes error
>>>        handling easier, as we cannot easily retract the installed
>>>        file descriptor if the target CQ ring is full. Right now we do
>>>        fill a CQE. If the request completes with -EOVERFLOW, then the
>>>        sender must re-send a CQE if the target must get notified.
>>
>> Hi Jens,
>> Since we are have open/accept direct feature, this may be useful. But I
>> just can't think of a real case that people use two rings and need to do
>> operations to same fd.
> 
> The two cases that people bring up as missing for direct descriptors
> that you can currently do with a real fd is:
> 
> 1) Server needs to be shutdown or restarted, pass file descriptors to
>     another onei
> 
> 2) Backend is split, and one accepts connections, while others then get
>     the fd passed and handle the actual connection.
> 
> Both of those are classic SCM_RIGHTS use cases, and it's not possible to
> support them with direct descriptors today.

I see, thanks for detail explanation.

> 
>> Assume there are real cases, then filling a cqe is necessary since users
>> need to first make sure the desired fd is registered before doing
>> something to it.
> 
> Right, my quesion here was really whether it should be bundled with the
> IORING_MSG_SEND_FD operation, or whether the issuer of that should also
> be responsible for then posting a "normal" IORING_OP_MSG_SEND to the
> target ring to notify it if the fact that an fd has been sent to it.
> 
> If the operation is split like the latter, then it makes the error
> handling a bit easier as we eliminate one failing part of the existing
> MSG_SEND_FD.
> 
> You could then also pass a number of descriptors and then post a single
> OP_MSG_SEND with some data that tells you which descriptors were passed.
> 
> For the basic use case of just passing a single descriptor, what the
> code currently does is probably the sanest approach - send the fd, post
> a cqe.
> 
>> A downside is users have to take care to do fd delivery especially
>> when slot resource is in short supply in target_ctx.
>>
>>                  ctx                            target_ctx
>>      msg1(fd1 to target slot x)
>>
>>      msg2(fd2 to target slot x)
>>
>>                                               get cqe of msg1
>>                                    do something to fd1 by access slot x
>>
>>
>> the msg2 is issued not at the right time. In short not only ctx needs to
>> fill a cqe to target_ctx to inform that the file has been registered
>> but also the target_ctx has to tell ctx that "my slot x is free now
>> for you to deliver fd". So I guess users are inclined to allocate a
>> big fixed table and deliver fds to target_ctx in different slots,
>> Which is ok but anyway a limitation.
> 
> I suspect the common use case would be to use the alloc feature, since
> the sender generally has no way of knowing which slots are free on the
> target ring.

I mean the sender may not easily know which value to set for
msg->dst_fd not about the alloc feature.

> 
>>> +static int io_double_lock_ctx(struct io_ring_ctx *ctx,
>>> +                  struct io_ring_ctx *octx,
>>> +                  unsigned int issue_flags)
>>> +{
>>> +    /*
>>> +     * To ensure proper ordering between the two ctxs, we can only
>>> +     * attempt a trylock on the target. If that fails and we already have
>>> +     * the source ctx lock, punt to io-wq.
>>> +     */
>>> +    if (!(issue_flags & IO_URING_F_UNLOCKED)) {
>>> +        if (!mutex_trylock(&octx->uring_lock))
>>> +            return -EAGAIN;
>>> +        return 0;
>>> +    }
>>> +
>>> +    /* Always grab smallest value ctx first. */
>>> +    if (ctx < octx) {
>>> +        mutex_lock(&ctx->uring_lock);
>>> +        mutex_lock(&octx->uring_lock);
>>> +    } else if (ctx > octx) {
>>
>>
>> Would a simple else work?
>> if (a < b) {
>>    lock(a); lock(b);
>> } else {
>>    lock(b);lock(a);
>> }
>>
>> since a doesn't equal b
> 
> Yes that'd be fine, I think I added the a == b pre-check a bit later in
> the process. I'll change this to an else instead.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-18 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-17 13:45 [PATCHSET RFC for-next 0/2] Add direct descriptor ring passing Jens Axboe
2022-06-17 13:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] io_uring: split out fixed file installation and removal Jens Axboe
2022-06-17 13:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: add support for passing fixed file descriptors Jens Axboe
2022-06-18 11:02   ` Hao Xu
2022-06-18 11:34     ` Jens Axboe
2022-06-18 12:47       ` Hao Xu [this message]
2022-06-18 12:50         ` Jens Axboe
2022-06-18 13:09           ` Hao Xu
2022-06-18 13:16             ` Jens Axboe
2022-06-18 13:27               ` Hao Xu
2022-06-17 14:07 ` [PATCHSET RFC for-next 0/2] Add direct descriptor ring passing Jens Axboe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-06-19  1:59 [PATCHSET v2 " Jens Axboe
2022-06-19  1:59 ` [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: add support for passing fixed file descriptors Jens Axboe
2022-06-22 23:16 [PATCHSET v3] Add direct descriptor ring passing Jens Axboe
2022-06-22 23:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] io_uring: add support for passing fixed file descriptors Jens Axboe

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