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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
	csander@purestorage.com, krisman@suse.de, bernd@bsbernd.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 03/11] io_uring/kbuf: add support for kernel-managed buffer rings
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:18:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df989700-fc4f-4334-a7c5-a6eeb136ab35@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aY7RA8-65WE6Q9Fv@infradead.org>

On 2/13/26 07:21, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 10:52:29AM +0000, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>> I'm arguing exactly against this.  For my use case I need a setup
>>> where the kernel controls the allocation fully and guarantees user
>>> processes can only read the memory but never write to it.  I'd love
>>> to be able to piggy back than onto your work.
>>
>> IORING_REGISTER_MEM_REGION supports both types of allocations. It can
>> have a new registration flag for read-only, and then you either make
> 
> IORING_REGISTER_MEM_REGION seems to be all about cqs from both your
> commit message and the public documentation.  I'm confused.

Think of it as an area of memory for kernel-user communication. Used
for syscall parameters passing to avoid copy_from_user, but I added
it for a bunch of use cases. We'll hopefully get support at some
point for passing request arguments like struct iovec. BPF patches
use it for communication. I need to respin patches placing SQ/CQ onto
it (avoid some memory waste).

Tbh, I never meant it nor io_uring regions to be used for huge
payload buffers, but this series already uses regions for that.


>> the bounce avoidance optional or reject binding fuse to unsupported
>> setups during init. Any arguments against that? I need to go over
>> Joanne's reply, but I don't see any contradiction in principal with
>> your use case.
> 
> My use case is not about fuse, but good old block and file system
> I/O.

Then I'm confused. Take a look at the other reply, this series is
about buffer rings with kernel memory, it can't work without a kernel
component returning buffers into the ring, and io_uring doesn't do
that. But maybe you're thinking about adding some more elaborate API.

IIUC, Joanne also wants to add support for fuse installing registered
buffers, which would allow zero-copy, but those got split out of
this series.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-13 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-10  0:28 [PATCH v1 00/11] io_uring: add kernel-managed buffer rings Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] io_uring/kbuf: refactor io_register_pbuf_ring() logic into generic helpers Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] io_uring/kbuf: rename io_unregister_pbuf_ring() to io_unregister_buf_ring() Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] io_uring/kbuf: add support for kernel-managed buffer rings Joanne Koong
2026-02-10 16:34   ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-10 19:39     ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-11 12:01       ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-11 22:06         ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-12 10:07           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-12 10:52             ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-12 17:29               ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-13  7:27                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-13 15:31                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-13 15:48                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-13 16:27                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-13  7:21               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-13 13:18                 ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2026-02-13 15:26           ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-11 15:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-12 10:44       ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-13  7:18         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-02-13 12:41           ` Pavel Begunkov
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] io_uring/kbuf: add mmap " Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  1:02   ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] io_uring/kbuf: support kernel-managed buffer rings in buffer selection Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] io_uring/kbuf: add buffer ring pinning/unpinning Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  1:07   ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-10 17:57     ` Caleb Sander Mateos
2026-02-10 18:00       ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] io_uring/kbuf: add recycling for kernel managed buffer rings Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:52   ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] io_uring/kbuf: add io_uring_is_kmbuf_ring() Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] io_uring/kbuf: export io_ring_buffer_select() Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] io_uring/kbuf: return buffer id in buffer selection Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:53   ` Jens Axboe
2026-02-10 22:36     ` Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:28 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] io_uring/cmd: set selected buffer index in __io_uring_cmd_done() Joanne Koong
2026-02-10  0:55 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] io_uring: add kernel-managed buffer rings Jens Axboe
2026-02-10 22:45   ` Joanne Koong

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