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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: io-uring@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/io_uring: add bpf io_uring selftests
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2025 11:57:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1db3be4-a4a7-4fd7-bd5c-0295a238b695@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFj5m9KfmOvSQoj0rin+2gk34OqD-Bb0qqbXowyqwj16oFAseg@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/25 00:19, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2025 at 12:12 AM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>>>
>>> `thread_fn` is supposed to work concurrently from >1 pthreads:
>>>
>>> 1) io_uring_enter() is claimed as pthread safe
>>>
>>> 2) because of userspace lock protection, there is single code path for
>>> producing sqe for SQ at same time, and single code path for consuming sqe
>>> from io_uring_enter().
>>>
>>> With bpf controlled io_uring patches, sqe can be produced from io_uring_enter(),
>>> and cqe can be consumed in io_uring_enter() too, there will be race between
>>> bpf prog(producing sqe, or consuming cqe) and userspace lock-protected
>>> code block.
>>
>> BPF is attached by the same process/user that creates io_uring. The
>> guarantees are same as before, the user code (which includes BPF)
>> should protect from concurrent mutations.
>>
>> In this example, just extend the first critical section to
>> io_uring_enter(). Concurrent io_uring_enter() will be serialised
>> by a mutex anyway. But let me note, that sharing rings is not
>> a great pattern in either case.
> 
> If io_uring_enter() needs to be serialised, it becomes pthread-unsafe,

The BPF program needs to be synchronised _if_ it races. There are
different ways to sync, including from within the program, but not
racing in the first place is still the preferred option.

> that is why I mentioned this should be documented, because it is one
> very big difference introduced in bpf controlled ring.

That can definitely be mentioned as a guide to users, would be a
diligent thing to do, but my point is that it doesn't change the
contract. SQ/CQ are not protected, and it's the users obligation
to synchronise it. With this set it includes BPF programs the
user attaches.

-- 
Pavel Begunkov


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-24 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-13 11:59 [PATCH v3 00/10] BPF controlled io_uring Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] io_uring: rename the wait queue entry field Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] io_uring: simplify io_cqring_wait_schedule results Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] io_uring: export __io_run_local_work Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] io_uring: extract waiting parameters into a struct Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] io_uring/bpf: add stubs for bpf struct_ops Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] io_uring/bpf: add handle events callback Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] io_uring/bpf: implement struct_ops registration Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-24  3:44   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24 13:12     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-24 14:29       ` Ming Lei
2025-11-25 12:46         ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] io_uring/bpf: add basic kfunc helpers Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] selftests/io_uring: update mini liburing Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-13 11:59 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/io_uring: add bpf io_uring selftests Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-14 13:08   ` Ming Lei
2025-11-19 19:00     ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-20  1:41       ` Ming Lei
2025-11-21 16:12         ` Pavel Begunkov
2025-11-22  0:19           ` Ming Lei
2025-11-24 11:57             ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2025-11-24 13:28               ` Ming Lei

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